02. 02. 12 Fahrenheit 451
An author can convey ideas by manipulating the reader's sympathies within the novel. Consider the following situations from the novel and tell which ones evoked sympathy and which ones evoked indifference.
- Mildred's suicide attempt
- Clarisse's disappearance
- Beatty's death
- the stranger killed instead of Montag
- the death of the woman at 11 Elm
- the city's demise
- the isolation of the book people
Then select one case and indicate what the author's message might be while using a quote from the incident as support.
This assignment is due Monday Feb. 6th by the end of the school day!
*Beatty's death
ReplyDeleteIn part three, when Montag was being force to burn his house, Beatty kept antagonizing Montag saying "Montag, you idiot, Montag, you damn fool; why did you really do it?" Beatty was yelling at him for why he had books, why he was reading etc. Beatty also says "when you're quite finished,You're under arrest." The more Beatty kept talking, the more it made Montag mad enough to turn around and use the flame thrower to burn Beatty to a crisp. Later on, when Montag went to Faber's house, he told Faber, "Beatty wanted to die." So because Montag committed a murder, he had to leave the city as fast as possible without being caught by the Mechanical Hound. It wasnt easy but he managed it with Faber's help.
Samantha Parfrey
Period 1
Hi
ReplyDeletehiiiiiiiiiii tyler!!!
DeleteMildred's suicide attempt, eh.
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disappearance, oh no!
Beatty's death, oh no!
the stranger killed instead of Montag, oh no!
the death of the woman at 11 Elm, oh no!
the city's demise, eh. they had it coming.
the isolation of the book people, oh no!
the death of the woman at 11 Elm--
Before the night of this occurance, Montag never really thought why people kept books in their houses. Until Montag witnessed the woman kneel among the books, touching the drenched leather and cardboard, reading the gilt titles with her fingers while her eyes accused him (38). The message Bradbury is trying to portray is the reasons why people would die for these books. Finally, the old woman quietly states, "I want to stay here" (39) and lights a ktichen match, setting her own house on fire. Even though Montag tried to have her come along with him, she refused and were her short, simple reply it made Montag question the way he looked at books.
Mildred's suicide attempt :(
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disappearence :(
Beatty's death :/
Stranger killed instead of Montag :(
The death of the woman at 11 Elm :/
The city's demise :/
The isolation of the book people :(
Beatty's death
Beatty burnt his house down then hit Montag in the face which sent the little earpiece flying to the ground. Beatty found it and knew there were more people involved. Montag didn't want him to fine Faber so he burnt him to death. Before this thought Beatty was almost daring him to by saying "Go ahead now, you second-hand litterateur, pull the trigger."(119) So by having Beatty say this the author really didn't want us to feel very bad about Beatty dying because he had it coming.
Justin Miller
Mildred's suicide, whatever
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disapperance, yikes!
Beatty's death, yikes!
The stranger killed instead of Montag, whatever
Death of the woman at 11 Elm, yikes!
The city's demise, whatever
The isolation of the book people, whatever
The death of the women at 11 Elm was trying to say that the women would rather kill herself, then be without books. "You can't ever have my books," she said.(38) She knows that her books will be burned, but she doesn't want them to burn them or touch them. "She opened thr fingers of one hand slightly and in the palm of the hand was a single object...An ordinary kitchen match." (39) This shows that the woman is not afraid to die, because she doesn't want to live in a society where books are burned.
Ms. Marshall I hate writing on this bloooggggg! It just deleted my whole comment.
ReplyDeleteMildred's suicide, :/
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disapperance, :0 OH NO!
Beatty's death, :/
The stranger killed instead of Montag, :0 OH NO!
Death of the woman at 11 Elm, :0 OH NO!
The city's demise, :/
The isolation of the book people, :/
Clarisse's disapperance:
In the beginning of the novel Montag didn't question the society he was living in until he met Clarisse. She's the one that really started him to wonder if he was living the right life. "Are you happy?" she asked. "Am I what?" he cried (10). Because of her questioning and uniqueness, Montag realized he wasn't happy. And I think the author made it that because of her death, Montag become more independent in searching for a way that would make him happy. And he was getting upset at Faber because he didn't want Faber to tell him what to do. And this was the start of Montag realizing the world needed a change, and he was the one that was going to have to start that change.
Foxy
Mildred's suicide, :/
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disapperance, :(
Beatty's death, :/
The stranger killed instead of Montag, :(
Death of the woman at 11 Elm, :(
The city's demise, :/
The isolation of the book people, :/
The death of the woman at 11 Elm evoked sympathy because the fireman have not started a house on fire before that still had someone in the house.
Mildred suicide:/
ReplyDeleteClarisses disappearance:/
Beattie death:/
The stranger killed instead of montag:(
Death of a woman on elm street:(
The city's demise:/
THe isolation of the book people:/
Mildreds suicide
The author is trying to tell us Mildred didn't want to live anymore because her life was pointless. There was no more meaning left. "her face was Like a snow covered island upon which rain might fall, but it felt no rain; over which clouds might pass their moving shadows, but she felt no shadow(pg13)." this quote is what montag was saying about his wife, and what she looked like. Mildred was living in a life where she thought the walls were part of her family. This had little affect on the book but still affected why the society was so messed up, and starting to fall apart.
Amanda weber
mildred suicide :(
ReplyDeleteClarissa disappearance :/
beatties death :(
the stranger killed instead of montag :(
death of the women on elm street :(
the cities demise :/
the isolation of the people :/
the author wants you to know that Midred committed because she didn't like life because it was the same thing everyday and people were miserable. the only thing she enjoyed in life was her parlor walls which just kept her from realizing there is more to life then tv
so she killed her self by taking to many sleeping pills.
Kelsey Rubel
Jon Smith
ReplyDeletePeriod 1
Mildred's suicide, :(
Clarisse's disapperance, :(
Beatty's death, :/
The stranger killed instead of Montag, :(
Death of the woman at 11 Elm, :(
The city's demise, :/
The isolation of the book people, :/
Clarisse's Disapperance
Clarisse was the only person Montag knew that questioned the society that they were living in, She made him think for once. When she disappeared a loss of a good thinking girl was lost, and Montag was the only one who could possibly save their world and change everyone's mind set.
Mildred's suicide :|
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disapperance :0
Beatty's death :0
The stranger killed instead of Montag :0
Death of the woman at 11 Elm :0
The city's demise :|
The isolation of the book people :|
Beatty's Death
Throughout the entire book, Beatty is someone you come to hate. He continously bashes on Montag for only being curious. Beatty says, "When your quite finished, you're under arrest." (117) after telling him he has to burn his very own house down. This causes the reader to feel anger towards Beatty. Then when Montag lashes out and kills him, you're just in disbelief. The author could be trying show the reader that Montag is overcoming his fears and gaining confidence by killing the one person standing in his way.
Cammie K
Mike Kryscha: the citys demise.
ReplyDeleteThe author wants us to feel the pain of the citizens as they feel it, he wants to convey the catastrophic disaster that could happen, with the loss of knowledge. He wants to convey the idea that books should not be banned, or burned. They are ideas philosophies and contradictories that are necessory to society. Explain in the passage of the three men on the tracks, watching as the city met its end.
Mildred's suicide attempt :(
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disappearence :(
Beatty's death :/
Stranger killed instead of Montag :(
The death of the woman at 11 Elm :/
The city's demise :/
The isolation of the book people :(
Mildred's suicide attempt:(
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disappearance:0
Beatty's death :0
the stranger killed instead of Montag:0
the death of the woman at 11 Elm:|
the city's demise:(
the isolation of the book people:(
Death of Beatty
The authors message was to be surprised, and also mad because of the way Beatty was treating Montag causing him to want to react the way he did. The words that i beleieve provoked Montag the most was the Quote "Montag, you idiot, Montag, you damn fool; why did you really do it?". Its brings out the best in the feelings of Beatty which the author would not like, because of montag being the main characters feelings the author intended for montag to be good.
MaSoN ClArK- cause im Ghetto :p
i like this book
ReplyDeleteMildred's suicide :D
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disapperance :0
Beatty's death :D
The stranger killed instead of Montag :D
Death of the woman at 11 Elm :0
The city's demise :D
The isolation of the book people 8/
Mildred's death,
this event made montag realize how emotionally detatched he is from Mildred. "her face was Like a snow covered island upon which rain might fall, but it felt no rain; over which clouds might pass their moving shadows, but she felt no shadow(pg13)." In this quote it depicts how numb mildred is to the world through montags eyes. Im not typeing anymore because i had a paragraph written before and it deleted what i had before. i'd much rather have this as an inclass on paper assignment or through a word document.
Jordan Ellis
Mildred's suicide attempt:(
ReplyDeleteClarisse's dissapearance:0
Beatty's death:/
The stranger killed instead of Montag:0
The death of the woman at 11 Elm:/
the city's demise:(
the isolation of the book people:)
Death of Beatty
I think the author was trying to make the readers suprised to what happened to Beatty, by treating Montag badly. The author is trying to show that Montag is trying to overcome his fears.
Mildred's suicide attempt (-_-;)
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disappearance (o_o)
Beatty's death (o_o)
the stranger killed instead of Montag (o_o)
the death of the woman at 11 Elm (o_o)
the city's demise (-_-;)
the isolation of the book people(-_-;)
Clarisse's Disappearance
"What trash. What good did she ever do with all that?" (114) Captian Beatty agreed that Clarisse was trouble to their society. Clarisse was known as anti-social. She was believed to be different from everyone else because she thinks about the world around her. The message Bradbury is trying to portray is that people who are different are thought to be trouble. "One of those damn do-gooders with their shocked, holier-than-thou silences, their one talent making overs feel guilty. God damn you, they rise like the midnight sun to sweat you in your bed!" (114)
Mildreds suicide attempt - : |
ReplyDeleteClarisses dissaperance - :(
Betty's death - :)
Stranger killed - :/
Death Of women - :/
Denise of city- :o
Isolation of the book people- :|
Beattys death
Throught the novel beatty represents the bridge in between the "authority" and a regular working class person. You feel a resentment for him grow ."when you're quite finished, you are under arrest" (117). As soon as Montag killed him I sort of felt relieved and happy.
Matt Malecki
Mildteds death: :/
ReplyDeleteCarisses death: :o
Beattys death :o
Stranger killed instead of montag: :/
Death of woman at 11 elm: :o
City's demise: :o
Isolation of the book people: :/
beattys death:
Although at the beginning on the novel Beatty is supposed to be a big deal and well respected as the fire chief, his attitude changes this view. He always is hating on Montag, and has such a two-faced personality towards him. Beatty treats Montag with such disrespect, while Montag has always shown respect towards Beatty. Right bwfore his death, Beatty's comment "when you're quite finished...you're under arrest" eggs Montage on (117). Finally, Montag snaps and kills Beatty, not out of disrepect, but to save Faber. This shocks the audience because it's out of montags nature. Reflecting on his death though causes montag to realize beatty wanted to die.
Tessa Burghardt
Mildred's suicide attempt - :(
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disappearance - :?
Beatty's death - :)
the stranger killed instead of Montag - :|
the death of the woman at 11 Elm - :|
the city's demise -:)
the isolation of the book people: /
Clarrise Dissapears:
The author describes Clarisse as anti-social. Meaning in that society that she talks, but no one else does. So she is looked at differently and thought to be a problem. "What trash. What good did she ever do with all that?" (114). No one belives in Clarisse to be apart of the society. And to those people different is scary. So they killed her and sayd it to be a accident. The author is showing it in a :? because us the readers cant decide wether she died by accident , or on purpose.
Kara Russell!
mildred :/
ReplyDeleteclarisse :(
Beatty :/
Stranger :(
woman :(
city :/
book ppl :(
The message the author is telling when mildred attempts suicide is that the situation should not be taken lightly. Everyone looks at the over dose like it is no big deal and like it never happened but montage is sickened by his wifes actions. mildred is even in denial and believe what sh did was not bad at all. she says "Oh,I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do a thing like that. Why should I do a thing like that?" it is impossible to show compassion for mildred when she acts so immature and blank minded. You want to slap sense into her.
nicole 7
Mildred's suicide attempt: sympathy
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disappearance: sym
Beatty's death: in.
the stranger killed instead of Montag: sym
the death of the woman at 11 Elm: sym
the city's demise: in
the isolation of the book people: sym
the stranger killed instead of Montag
I think this is the major turning point of the story. Reason being is that Montag begins to question why people would die for their books. He begins to question if they are important and if they are actually dangerous. This occurs when the lady says, "I want to stay here," (39). So this occurence is the message that Montag questions if books are important and if they are dangerous.
Maggie Mason
Mildred's suicide attempt- indifference
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disappearance- sym.
Beatty's death- indifference
the stranger killed instead of Montag- sym
the death of the woman at 11 Elm- sym
the city's demise- indifference
the isolation of the book people-sym
The message in Beatty’s dead could be that he didn’t really want to hold the power that he had anymore, he was aging on Montag to pull the safety and set him on fire, if he was really worried about his life he would have been careful with what he said and did, but instead he’s telling Montag to go ahead. On pg 122 Montag reflects and thinks “He had just stood there, not really trying to save himself, just stood there, joking, needling…” I also think that the author was saying that in the world people realize that what they’re doing is wrong so they go to the extremes to fix it, instead of rebelling and speaking out against the government Beatty instigates until Montag is pushed to killing him, releaving Beatty of his job, and enforcing rules that he cold possibly be against.
Jeanette P. 7
Mildred's suicide attempt: Sympathy
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disappearance: Sympathy
Beatty's death : Indifference
the stranger killed instead of Montag: Sympathy
the death of the woman at 11 Elm: Sympathy
the city's demise: Indifference
the isolation of the book people: Sympathy
Clarisse's dissapearance, really shows the reader that the society doesn't care who they are killing. They kill for fun, this message is showing the reader that the society has changed in so many ways, than how it used to be. People enjoy seeing other people in pain, and injured, and hurt. They find joy in seeing others in these stages of life. "Here or there, that's bound to occur. Clarisse McClellan? We've a record on her family.We've watched them carefully. Heredity and environment are funny things. You can't rid yourselves of all the odd ducks in just a few years." (60)-Beatty
Kat 7
The Stranger Killed instead of Montag. It shows what people wanted to see and what the firemen needed to show. As an example to the people to show what will happen when found guilty of possession of books. Now that random man was killed just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but the people in that society wouldn't care if it were Montag or not. This shows the anti-social way of the society but as the reader, I personally did not care for the killing of that random person, yet that is how the author must have intended it.
ReplyDeleteMildred's suicide attempt: indifference
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disappearance: Sympathy
Beatty's death : indifference
the stranger killed instead of Montag: indifference
the death of the woman at 11 Elm: sympathy
the city's demise: sympathy
the isolation of the book people : sympathy
The Death of The Woman at 11 Elm:
The authors message for putting this scene into the book was to show no matter if books were illegal or not, if one loves them, one wont give them up. Also, to stand ground and stay strong for what one believes in. As the book lady had said, "I want to die as I've lived." She was willing to die for something that made her feel alive. She also had said to the firemen, "These books were alive; they spoke to me!" I feel that the author put this whole scene to show how one can stay strong for what they believe in.
Haylie Bray
English 7th
Sorry its a little late :/
Mildred's suicide attempt: Sympathy
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disappearance: Sympathy
Beatty's death : Indifference
the stranger killed instead of Montag: Sympathy
the death of the woman at 11 Elm: Sympathy
the city's demise: Indifference
the isolation of the book people: Sympathy
Montag was forced to set fire to his entire house for his crime of holding books in his home, Beatty was harsh to Montag saying statements like "Montag, you idiot, Montag, you damn fool; why did you really do it?" Beatty was furious at Montag for having these books and didn't understand why he did it. Beatty said "when you're quite finished,You're under arrest." Beatty kept antagonizing Montag until the point where Montag could take it no more and he pulled the flamethrower on Beatty and burnt him to death. Later on, when Montag went to Faber's house after the incident, he told Faber, "Beatty wanted to die." Once Montag committed murder, he had to leave the city as fast as possible.
Mildreds death: :(
ReplyDeleteClarisses death: :O
Beattys death :O
Stranger killed instead of montag: :(
Death of woman at 11 elm: :O
The City's demise: :O
Isolation of the Book People: :(
Beattys Death:
At the beginning on the novel Beatty is supposed to be a popular and looked upon as the fire chief, but his attitude alters this. He disses Montag, and disrespful towards him. Montag has always shown respect towards Beatty. Before Beatty died he lead on Montag with the statement, "when you're quite finished...you're under arrest" eggs Montage on (117). Finally, Montag kills Beatty to save Faber. This is not usually Montag but he did end up realzing Beatty wanted to die.
Matt Swanson
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ReplyDeletemildred's death: meh
ReplyDeleteclarisse's death: oh no!
beatty's death: meh
Stranger killed instead of montag: oh no!
death of woman at 11 elm: meh
the city's demise: meh
Isolation of the book people: meh
Beatty's death
Beatty pushed Montag into killing him. He did it on purpose, because his death will make people wonder about Montag, which meant that more people would realize what he is up to. It is an important part of the story.
Chad Rietschel 7
Mildred's suicide attempt: :(
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disappearance: :0
Beatty's death: :/
Stranger killed instead of Montag: :(
The death of the woman at 11 Elm: :/
The city's demise: :/
The isolation of the book people: :/
The death of the woman at 11 Elm, She had the whole house filled with books hidden every where and as the fire men searched around they found a door that was locked shut and then they slammed it open and there was a library of books in the attic. She told the fire men if the books must burn she must die with them "You can't ever have my books," she said. (pg.346) As soon as the firemen collected half of the books they set them on fire and the women did not move and the firemen told her to get out of the fire then she killed her self in the fire by burning.
Kathy J. P7
Mildred's suicide attempt: sad face
ReplyDeleteClarisse's disappearance: meh face
Beatty's death: meh face
the stranger killed instead of Montag: meh face
the death of the woman at 11 Elm: sad face
the city's demise: sad face
the isolation of the book people: meh face
Clarisse's disappearance:
Bradbury used Clarisse's disappearance to show indifference. Before she even disappeared we knew she was indifferent because she didn't go to school, she said she didn't fit in "Oh they dont miss me, I'm antisocial..."(29) On his way back home Montag noticed that the world was quiter and he was missing Clarisse "He didn't know what there was about the afternoon, but it was not seeing her somewhere in the world."(32) Bradbury showed indifference with her disappearence by showing that if you talk to people or even just think that you'll be taken away.
Sean Kirby 1